To hold the 1st meeting

Hello Everybody

We have 150 members in the forum and of them 56 reside in the UAE. I was thinking of getting ourselves known thru newspapers and forming a group who can represent all of us. We can thru this group meet with R holdings and raise our concerns whatever they might be like delayed contracts, build quality and so on. I dont know about the legality and what might need to be done to form such a forum. This is just a very raw idea. I am not even able to put it down properly. But i guess many of you will get the idea and chip in with your thoughts. How about we all meeting up once and discuss our concerns and those who are experts or have considerable knowledge can offer suggestion.

Await your suggestion and ideas. If this sound stupid just thrash it and let me know please.

Thanks

Its Good idea, and can not

Its Good idea, and can not thrashed, for this initiative following steps to be followed -

1. List out all UAE based members
2. List out all Dubai / SHJ / AJMAN / ABUDHABI members
3. All location wise members can meet at suitable public place
4. Make the represanatative area wise
5. Let all area represanatativies can held get-to-gether
6. Visit the site on suitable time
7. Update all the members of their area
8. Collect feed back and query from area mamber
9. discuss this query / feed back among represantativies

If we put these all activities in tabuler forms its like an organisation

I understand that making an organisation or act as a group may give some kind of legal obligation but we are not fighting or even before present in frot of R Holding or any developer we are just meeting and share our experience, thats all

I am from Dubai and if you feel that this is a possible way to share our thought you can send your details to my personal massage using write to writer link.

Brilliant!

Thanks Musema to initiate a wonderful suggestion and as always Dwarish to expand and volunteer to take it further.

It all sounds very hopefull and a positive step perhaps in right directon, subject to other members in U.A.E's co-operation.
Sorry Brother Djamel to drag you in this, but with your legal back ground you can throw some light and weight and make it a viable proposition.
Let us have some more feed back from Admin,Imre,Oshurie,Ajman Bound, I 2 Ajman,Hassan,Swethraj,Smitty,Ahmed and all other members.

With the Best Wishes and warm Regards

Lee,

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Dear dwarish, Your idea is

Dear dwarish,
Your idea is good but it's a little soon.
Yes, we have many friends in UAE. but they are not active. I think the reasons can be what are mentioned in the recent poll.
You can discuss about in the meeting.
Thanks for your efforts. ;)

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Let me start first by saying

Let me start first by saying that is a good idea. That was our goal since the begining when we started this forum. Unfortunaely, we can not form a formal association. Formal associations in the UAE are limitted to UAE nationals. We are all foreigners here, this is why we are buying in freehold properties. Foreigners, including UAE residents are not allowed by law to form associations as of today.

In the near future, maybe in a couple of months, Dubai is coming up with the Condominium law or Strata law that will make it lawful to have building owners association, because basically once the building is finished, its ownership will be transferred to those who purchased the individual apartments. They will own their repective apartments as freehold ownership and the common areas (Ground Floor, lift core, corridors, gymn and swimming pool) as sharehold ownership among them. Once this law is introduced in Dubai, the tradition here is that other Emirates including Ajman will follow Dubai lead and will come out with a similar law. Until that time comes, we can not be official.

However, we can meet unofficially and we can do like many have done before us, if there is a need to do so, to hire services of a lawyer who will be communicating legally on our behalf in those cases where we find that our interests are totally ignored. When we meet also, we will be able to face the developers with one voice which put pressure on them much more than the kind of pressure a single owner can put. We can also use the printed media which shall put real pressure. The authorities here are very sensitive to what is printed in the newspapers and if people are complaining in newspapers, the developers are brought out for questioning and to remedy. remember that the freehold market is becoming the backbone of the economy of Ajman, a bad publicity will ruin it. The government will interfere if actions of a developer is causing bad publicity. I have seen how swift is government interference if newspapers start printing articles about some wrong doing.

In this equation of the developer vs. apartment owner, the apartment owners are the weakest link and unifying their efforts make them strong.

Let us start the Ball Rolling!

Thanks Once Again Djamel for that eloborate clarification.
Can I respectfully request the members of this forum living in U.A.E to arrange to meet up in order to take this matter further.
Any thoughts on this issue?

With the Best Wishes,

Lee

Fantastic

What an insight provided by djamel. Appreciate your time and effort. Well then until such law comes into effect lets get going on by ourselves. How do we start? Any further suggestion djamel?

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What can we do?

The answer to that question lies in the hands of those amongnst us who do reside in UAE. However, we still need the support of those who reside outside UAE as well. Each can have a role to play. What we can do also depends on what each individual can provide and the skills of each one of us. We need several skills: Legal, engineering, negociation, just to name a few and we also need to know the connections that the individuals do have to parties of interest like R-Holding, developers, consultant, and contractors. The goal is basically to assemble all of the skills for us to start a program of influencing the way the project is heading. I know that R-Holding do not have people with managing skills for such a project and if we can start a communication channel with them there are lots of things that we can improve in lots of areas, including quality of construction, handing over, owners rights and others.

What I do propose is that we select a day, a time, and a place where those who live in the UAE can meet. We get together to know how each can help by assessing the skills that we can assemble as well as the time that each can provide and we take it from there.

What can we do?

Thanks Djamel, once again as usual you have started debate/discussion in right direction and let us hope we get positive reponse from other members as well.
Shukran Jazilan, Bro.
Lee

Location - Dubai Date - 30th

Location - Dubai
Date - 30th NOV
Day - Friday
Time - 4:30 PM
Place - Burjman Center >> Food court

Well Done Dwarish!

You have the venue and arranged time let us see which other members will be able to meet up?

Kindly,let us the know the response, after the event.

Warm Regards

Lee

Thanks to God, The Community is on the track!

Salaam everybody,
As a member of the community who lives outside the UAE, I just wrote this to encourage you people there and to let you know that we all support you as this was one of the basic ideas on which our community formed.....

I am in

I agree to dwarish's proposition. Djamel your presence is a must. Please confirm.

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I confirm.

I will be there on time inshallah. It is important for all to make an effort to attend for this first meeting. In my long experience, the first meeting is the one that traces the direction and the enthusiasm of any group work. If only few will show up, it will discourage the rest as they only feel being used by others. This is a voluntary work for the benefit of all and we all have a moral duty to contribute by whatever means we can provide.

Thanks!

Let me extend our gratitude and appreciation in advance to all the members who will attend the meeting on Friday, Insha Allah.
Special thanks to Djamel,Dwarish and Musema to confirm in advance of their intention to attend.

With the Best Wishes
Lee

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Some Points

Dear all friends,
First of all thanks God for having this virtual community (Forum). :) :)
Then thanks 1) musema for ignite this idea 2) dwarish who adds the valuable images and cooperate in this idea actively 3) djamel05 who is our knowledgeable and experienced friend who help us in all ideas 4) yusuf who is very active in this website and is pioneer in all ideas and 5) all other UAE resident memebrs who cooperate in this idea. :)
Unfortunately i can't contribute in this idea because i'm not in UAE.
But let me to offer some points:
1. Yes we have 152 members but most of them are not active. If you look to the polls, We don't have more than 30 votes. Or if you analyse the discussions they don't cotribute in the discussion more than this no. of members. Some of them don't have any unit in the Emirates City. :? :?
2. You should notice that the UAE don't have a democratic government. Many of big real estate companies are dependent to government. In the other side we don't want to have fight with developers. It's a very dangarous issue. We shouldn't show ourselves a dangorous people. We should show them that we follow a close cooperation with developers to keep mutual rights. }:) }:)

and regarding to the meeting:
1. Before your meeting, Please specify the issues you want to discuss about in the meeting. I think djamel05 can help us in this field.
2. Please declare readiness all who wants to go to the meeting.
Thanks! :) ;)

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I believe that the first

I believe that the first meeting shall allow us before anything else to know each other. To know how each can help. It is too soon to have a proper agenda for such a meeting as the agenda depends on the number and the skills of the people actually attending. So far only 3 have shown their interest and even that does not mean that all the 3 would be there. So let us see first who will be attending and discuss with those who shall attend in what capacity each would be ready to contribute. Based on that we can set goals that are achievable by the group. However, to be realistic and to be practical, it is too soon at this stage to have a proper meeting agenda.

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Best Wishes!

My Best Wishes (from India) to all of you for taking forward the good work.
But I wish to get the comments and blessings of the ADMIN to this initiative.

I wish to express my gratutude to the ADMIN who brought us this far by devising this wonderful site where all of us can interact and express so freely and intimately. Since I haven't heard anything from the ADMIN on this intiative, I request him to come forward and comment and bless the proposal!!

And on behalf of all MEMBERS I request the ADMIN for his presense on this occasion, as the CHAIRPERSON, to preside over the proceedings.

THANX!

I2A

Best Wishes!

I second that as well and what a good proposition from I 2 ajman.
Well, what can I say without this wonderful site we would have been no where.
All thanks to admin and of course your presence in the first meeting will be appreciated.
My hat is off to you Sir, we cannot thank you enough.
May Allah s.w.t. bless you and your family,Amen!
With the Best Wishes and warm regards,

Lee

admin's picture

Invitation to the meeting

Dear I 2 Ajman & yusuf,
I appreciate you for your kindness. :)
1. Indeed, When i saw the past website, skyscrapercity.com - I understood some points: The website is on base of vbulletin that is not powerfull for a forum like a forum of owners. So, because i have a little experience in website designing (Although i'm an Indstrial Engineer), when i saw the suggestion of one of friends (i think who was parham :? ), I decided to launch this website.
2. My purpose was not to have a special position among owners of Emirates City. As you have seen, I try to don't enter to the discussions. Just i want the owners of Emirates City have a place for discussion about projects, sharing pictures of progress (if you could remember, The pages which had images was very slow and low quality in skyscrapercity.com), Especially for the friends who live abroad. You should know how much a news and an image from the Emirates City is valuable for the non-resident buyers.
In the other side, Existing of a virtual community for Emirates City can make a privilege in comparison with other districts for investing and can be preferd to other places.
I hope The God accept this work too, Ensha Allah.

3. When i saw that our friends have some problems with the developers (delay in sending the contract, delay in begining the work on plot, The quality of projects etc), I thaught we should do a work. We can't put ourselves in opposite of developers (qeshmi said something about it). Although we don't have this purpose, When we say just one sentence to developers, They resist. This record can be a negative point for investment in this district of Ajman. In the other side, (as our friend djamel05 said) We don't do anything that have a risk to the future of Emirates City and sorround, This district of Ajman can have a good future. Even they want to filter our website (as qeshmi said)
So, I thaught we can press to developers with the face of a real estate company (on behalf of clients). It was a very good idea. Then i offered a suggestion for establish a company (As you know, It's WADI STAR), Manyof friends have cooperation in it. In this company we can have a structure for following the rights of owners perfectly. Also, It can offer projects to buyers in a good package that you can not find it in the other place. Although it can be a profit source for every one who would like to cooperate in it.

4. Indeed the owners and managers of this website are all members, You are who add content to this website and moderate it by Editorial Board. I'm just responsible about the website not the community.
The power of this community is on base of you.
Our friends djamel05 and dwarish can help us very much. I hope till next week, Other friends announce their readiness to come to your meeting and this meeting wil be the start of better coopeation among Emirates City Owners.
Dear I 2 Ajman, What can i do in this field is inviting all resident friends to this meeting. Please pay attention to this event. It's an important event about Emirates City. It can keep the rights of all friends, Ensha Allah.
5. I know sometimes this website is not accessible for some minutes, As i promised in the last month, I hire another space for moving this website to that place, Ensha Allah, I will move it to that place in the future.
6. Recently i thaught some of our friends in this website have properties in Dubai, Then i launched mydubaiproperties.com . But i was wrong, As you see that website have just 5 members. Also i want to launch a comprehensive website of news aggregator like Google News for UAE. Ensha Allah, I will do it.
I'm ready to do anything for raising the position of Emirates City in the Cyber Space.

Now when i see this website after 3 months - Your friendly cooperations - I enjoy very very much. Thanks God.
Ensha Allah, We will meet each other in 2010.
Good Luck! :)

Invitation to the meeting

Salaams to Admin,

Thanks so much for your humble and down to earth response.
By the grace of the Almighty this forum will go from strength to strength and we shall all strive to achieve all the objectives for the benefit of all the members.
As you stated we shall all meet in the Emirate City in 2010 Insha Allah!

With THe Warmest Regards
Lee

admin's picture

100 points reward!

Dear resident friends,
Since this meeting is an activity toward our objectives, Like your activities in this website, I will add some points to your account.
So, Contribution in this meeting will have 100 points.
As i said before, It's an important event for Emiratse City. Why don't you be a pioneer? :?
Thanks :) ;)

100 points reward!

Well done Admin!

A well desreved points to our friends who shall make effort and sacrifice of their valuable time.

May Allah bless you all,Amen

Lee

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meeting today

Hi,

Finally I am free and I can join today.I will be there but where in the food court and how will I recognise you?:)

Hey Imre

Great Man!!

I was going to write why weren't you responding. However the meeting has been rescheduled for next friday i.e. 7th December cuz we thot the notice was too short and not many people might not be able to make it. Please mark next friday in your diary as booked for US. Hope you will be there.

Mustansir

Imre's picture

meeting today

Thanks Mustansir, I will try:)

Thank you all

and Best wishes for the meeting

Ahmed

rohtahir's picture

Great efforts

It sounds really great that our friends who r residing in UAE are very active and playing their role to make the emirates city a hall mark.
If i had been in UAE , i definately would have been there to meet the friends like all of u. but i am livig out of UAE so i have to wait till 2010 and inshallah one day i will have a pleasure to meet u all in emirates city. my best wishes for all of the friends and i really appreciate ur efforts to help each other.
Tahir from Qatar.

No news from other members ??????

Dear all,
Reschedule of the first meeting was just for the other mambers to participate.. but no news till now.... please confirm your avaibility before Thursday till now only 3 members confirmed...Including me.

No news from other members ???

Hi Dwarish,
it seems may be, we will have to adopt a different approach to request other members to attend this crucial meeting.

How about sending a personalised invitation e-mail to all the members in UAE?

Lee

Formal Invitations by email

Salaams,
I agree with Yusuf. maybe Admin takes care of sending some formal invitation to all UAE-resident members automatically, if possible.

admin's picture

Invitation Letter

Dear yusuf and parham,
Thanks for your suggestion!
1. At present we can't filter the UAE residents and send to the a e-letter. Just It's possible to send all an Inviatation and invite the recipient if he/she is in UAE.
2. Please prepare a invitation letter and send me by 'contact us'. I prepare the system for this work.
3. Unfortunately when we send emails in bulk, The mail server recognizes us as spamer and move the newsletter to spam/bulk forder of Mailbox. I will try to send the emails in some stages to decrease the prabability of spam recognition.
Thanks :)

Invitation Letter

Salaams Admin,

I have sent out a letter as per your request.

salaams
Lee

admin's picture

Thanks yusuf,I sent the

Thanks yusuf,
I sent the Invitation letter to all friends two times. The first one was non-html but the second letter was with HTML format. Although it had a small error in logo.
The system sent all emails in 7 stages, every stage to max. 20 recipients. So, The mail servers like yahoo or Gmail didn't had label it as spam.
It was the first Mass mail i sent in this website. Ensha Allah in the future, We can send e-letter without error.
Thanks :)

grrreattt idea!!!!!!!!

Hey guys....great idea to meet.....i'm in......7pm FRIDAY at Bur-Juman.........I think we are on the right track....suggesting all to list points to be discussed........is there any single-point-of-contact........may be a phone number..........

oops...did i got the time wrong

hey guys...pls can you confirm the time......I thought it was at 7pm...Sorry abt that....

admin's picture

Dear All friends, Thanks to

Dear All friends,
Thanks to announce your attendance in the meeting.
So, till now All who will attend in the meeting are as following:
musema
dwarish
djamel05
Imre
Asma Ali
navin jagesha
fun_cool

Thanks

An encouraging step forward

Thank you Admin and many thanks to all people who expressed their interest to attend the meeting. I think it is considered an encouraging start. Taking into account all interested people who live outside UAE at the moment, now we have a really active community.......and it gets better gradually inshallah.

I will come for meeting

Hi , sorry for writting after long time, I was kinda out. I will be there in burjuman , By the what is the time ? ? ? How to meet our guys in food court ?

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Hi there, My sisters are

Hi there,

My sisters are both residing in UAE and also owner of several flats in Emirates City.

I may forward them the letter if I receive it.

Cheers.

admin's picture

About the 1st meeting

Dear all,
1. Thanks sha947, oshurie, Asma Ali, Navin Jagesha, Ian Martin, Liftercargo, Arbab, I 2 Ajman and Nasser for your reply to our Invitation Letter by email and other friends who add comments to this Topic.
2. The meeting details is as our friend djamel05 said, Please adjust your programs for attending at 4:30 pm Friday 7th Dec.
3. We need to a secretary for taking some photos and reporting the details of discussions concisely in this website. Is there any volunteer?
4. As you know A meeting needs to someone who directs the discussions. We can't drive without map and also some persons can't drive together. So, We need to some one who directs and guides the meeting in a correct road.
I think the best one for this role is djamel05. I think all who know him (in this website and skyscrapercity.com too) are agree with me that he is qualified for this role. So If you agree with me, he is the chairman of our meeting. It's very important that you are agreed or not. :?
I think you can be familiar with each other, Then you can choose better. So, for first meeting (according to the past familarity in this website) he can do it and for future, You can elect someone among yourself. It can be a topic that you will discuss in the end of 1st meeting. What do you think? :?
I think it's very good if he specify the objectives of 1st meeting and topics of discussins before meeting.
5. Is there any ambiguity or suggestion?
Thanks :) ;)

1st meeting

Dear Admin,

I second as well as many others will agree that Bro. Djamel to chair the meeting.

Djamel can we please have your confirmation in this regards?

With warm regards

Lee

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Agenda Proposal

Dear all,

If those who will ba attending the meeting will elect me to chair this first session, I will not mind it, otherwise, I will be glad to provide any contribution I can, it does not matter who will chair the meeting, yet it is important that someone chairs it. As for the agenda, I believe that it should include the following:

1. Introduce the roles that each of the parties in the development of Emirates City is playing and how each is influencing the building quality and construction delays:
a. The Master Developer: R-Holding,
b. Developer
b. The consultant: Adnan Safarini
c. Contractors & Subcontractors

2. Discuss our strategy in collecting information about the towers construction as well as the infrastructure construction, which will allow us to be proactive in dealing with issues that might cause delay in construction or hinder quality before it is too late.

3. Discuss the tools that are available to us as owners to influence the construction process and what role each one of us can play.

4. Form working groups

5. Decide about the formal form that the group shall take as well as frequency and venue of the following meetings.

6. Decide about what shall be prepared for the next meeting and its agenda.

If anyone wants to propose other items for discussion, please feel free to post for me to finalize the agenda.

Best Regards

Agenda Proposal

Salaams Djamel,
Well done.

Agenda proposal is very concise as well as precise.

Thanks so much for all your effort.

With Warm Regards

Lee

admin's picture

Thanks mpat and

Thanks mpat and MOHEEDIN71,
So till now, the the meeting will hold with 10 members.
I hope other friends announce their attendance! :)

admin's picture

Dear friends who cotribute in meeting

Dear friends who attend in the meeting,
1. You should notice that you are representative of all owners of Emirates City (maybe who are member of this website or not). So, Please respect the rights of all.
Many of our friends who are not in UAE liked very much to contribute in the meeting, but ...
2. As i said we need to someone who report about discussions of the meeting in this website.
Some of the friends (who replied to our Invitation) like to see the images of meeting. It's related to the members who want to attend in the meeting. Maybe they don't like to be familiar for all. Also it can be a reason for not coming to the meeting. So, It's not possible.
3. We are waiting for the idea of all members who contribute in the meeting about the chairman, The meeting needs to someone who chairs the session. So, If there is any idea, Please announce it. Maybe any one is vlunteer for it, We say welcome to him/her. it should be specified till friday.
4. Please help us about the agenda. It's a valuable opportunity, So we should use it very good. Every one who has suggestion, Please send it to djamel05.
Thanks :)

cotribute in meeting

Dear Admin,
with due respect to you I thought You have already Suggested Bro. Djamel as chair person, which is the best suggestion so why raise the topic again?

Lee

admin's picture

Dear yusuf,1. I don't have

Dear yusuf,
1. I don't have the right to choose the chairman. It 's the right of whom contribute in the meeting. I just suggest him. because it's very necessary and i believe someone should chair the session. We should respect to the fundamentals of democracy in our future city. Our Bro. djamel05 confirmed this issue.
My suggestion was wrong, Because i shouldn't interfere in this issue. I'm very sorry. :(
2. We have other friends who help us very much in this forum. The points of members indicate this issue:
Imre 945
dwarish 862
djamel05 406
.
musema 24
.
fun_cooll 18
.
Annua 11
.
mpat 8
.
newinvestor 5
.
MOHIDEEN71 4
.
susu 2
.
So, You can see other friends who were active in this forum, Bro. dwarish and Imre can be volunteer. Although it's not important who is chairman. The outcomes is important.
3. As i said i will add 100 points to all who contribute in the meeting. Because their efforts are valuable for all. Indeed This reward is a little.
Thanks :)

Chair Person?

Thanks Admin for that clarification. Of Course your role as admin has to be impartial and I appreciate your comment

salaams
Lee

AGENDA FOR THE MEETING

I am not good with setting up agenda, but here is what i think, please do feel free to take a note or nothing at all.

!)Vote for a chairman, secretary for note taking and passing information to Admin
2)Issues for discussion
a)Emirate city infra structure, complession date, quality of the jobs carried out so far
by Developers(such as construction Dwarish, Djamel and others know better than
me)
b)Contribution for enhancement to our web page emirate city.
c)opening communication channel with Master Developer and other Developers
d)Presentation to our community to Developers and to R Holding and telling the them
our ever increasing members and issue of their discussion.
e)Telling them for a moment we generating information exchange between us and
We are intending to creat one for between investors and developers.

3)future Emirate city initiatives and incame generation etc.

4)Setting date for the nexet meeting and progress reporting.

My I conclude to thank to all those who put their time and effort to get off this meeting and specially to never ending hard work of Admin.

AGENDA FOR THE MEETING

Dear Oshurie,
Your points are very valid, and surely these need to be taken into considertion.

Any other thought/ comment from other memebers please?

Regards,
Lee